it is easier to beet the elite four rematch because you can have a team of primals and mega rayquaza
Tbh a full team of those mons isn’t even super viable compared to a well thought out and trained team imo
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but if the primals and ray have good natures and ev trained with life orb to ray then they are the most op team in all of eternity
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Nope, do you wanna bet? I bet I can make an Gen 6 AG team that beats that.
i know
porbably… i am not a com player but it is one of the bettler ones
Not really, that team hates Ground types, I think with Galvantula/Spidergross+Garchomp+Haxorus+Scarf Kyogre, that team loses bad. Garchomp hits M. Ray for OHKO after SD, or if Banded. Dragonite can do the same, and doesn’t care about anything M. Ray can do to it. P-Giratina dies to +2 LO Stone Edge, but it’s one of the few things that live that, and should be countered using the defensive core and chip. It’s honestly the hardest thing to kill, but that’s why it’s AG. Scarf Haxorus can KO it though. All those immunities and and the fact that it isn’t statusable. P-Groudon dies to Band/+2 EQ. (It lives better in Base Form due to less weaknesses and Leftovers, but you said 5 Primals.) P-Kyogre doesn’t like eating a hit, and neither does even bulky P-Regi. The sets I used for calcs were Modest Scarf Kyogre, Jolly Band Garchomp, LO SD Jolly Garchomp, Choice Scarf Jolly Haxorus, DD LO Rayquaza, SpD Giratina (252 HP, 4 Def, 252 SpD), Bulky SR P-Groudon, Offensive SR P-Groudon, PhysDef P-Kyogre, CM +3 Attacks P-Kyogre, PhysDef P-Regi (252 HP, 252 Def, 4 SpD/Atk), Bulky Offensive P-Regi (252 HP, 252 Atk, 4 SpD), and Sweeper/Offensive P-Arceus (252 Atk, 4 SpD, 252 Spe).
Rayquaza-Mega
252 Atk Choice Band Garchomp Outrage vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Rayquaza-Mega: 584-690 (166.3 - 196.5%) – guaranteed OHKO
Primal Giratina
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Garchomp Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Omnitype Giratina-Primal: 439-517 (99.5 - 117.2%) – guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Mold Breaker Haxorus Outrage vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Giratina-Primal: 362-428 (71.8 - 84.9%) – 75% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock (Choice Scarf is useful here.)
Primal Groudon
252 Atk Choice Band Garchomp Earthquake vs. 152 HP / 0 Def Groudon-Primal: 324-384 (85.4 - 101.3%) – 81.3% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Garchomp Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 8 Def Groudon-Primal: 324-384 (80.3 - 95.2%) – 50% chance to OHKO
Primal Kyogre
252+ Atk Mold Breaker Haxorus Outrage vs. 172 HP / 0 Def Kyogre-Primal: 258-304 (67.1 - 79.1%) – 31.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Mold Breaker Haxorus Outrage vs. 248 HP / 248+ Def Kyogre-Primal: 183-216 (45.4 - 53.5%) – guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Choice Band Garchomp Outrage vs. 248 HP / 248+ Def Kyogre-Primal: 228-268 (56.5 - 66.5%) – guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Choice Band Garchomp Outrage vs. 172 HP / 0 Def Kyogre-Primal: 322-379 (83.8 - 98.6%) – guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
Primal Regigigas
252 Atk Choice Band Garchomp Outrage vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Regigigas-Primal: 220-259 (51.8 - 61%) – guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Choice Band Garchomp Outrage vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Regigigas-Primal: 184-217 (43.3 - 51.1%) – guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Mold Breaker Haxorus Outrage vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Regigigas-Primal: 135-159 (31.8 - 37.5%) – guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Mold Breaker Haxorus Outrage vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Regigigas-Primal: 160-190 (37.7 - 44.8%) – 65.2% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Kyogre Water Spout (105 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Regigigas-Primal in Rain: 504-594 (118.8 - 140%) – guaranteed OHKO
Primal Arceus
252 Atk Choice Band Garchomp Outrage vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Arceus-Primal: 468-552 (122.8 - 144.8%) – guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Mold Breaker Haxorus Outrage vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Arceus-Primal: 342-404 (89.7 - 106%) – guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Kyogre Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Arceus-Primal: 192-226 (50.3 - 59.3%) – guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
This is assuming Galvantula has Webs up, so I’ve only listed 4 mons, plus 2 bulky pivots.
but primal giritina does not care for anything except for the rock
Look at the calcs again. Mold Scarf Hax outspeeds and OHKOs even 252 HP/4 Def P-Giratina, and if it’s physically bulky, Scarf Kyogre’s Water Spout or Origin Pulse deals strong neutral damage. I also have 2 bulky pivots, 3 if I use Spidergross. And I haven’t used my mega yet either. Whirlwind Skarm is an option here for extra chip for easier KOs.
looking at the 5 primals team u hard lose to m donphan+kyurem-w+xerneas. I’ll make a sample team for it later to show u
Kyurem-W @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Turboblaze
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spe
Timid nature
- Draco Meteor
- Ice Beam
- Earth Power
- Fusion Flare
Donphan @ Donphanite
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 52 HP / 252 Atk / 204 Spe
Adamant nature
- Earthquake
- Seed Bomb
- Gunk Shot
- Knock Off
Xerneas @ Power Herb
Ability: Fairy Aura
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spe
Modest nature
- Geomancy
- Moonblast
- Focus Blast
- Flash Cannon
Kyogre @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spe
Timid nature
- Water Spout
- Thunder
- Surf
- Ice Beam
Talonflame @ Leftovers
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spe
Adamant nature
- Tailwind
- Brave Bird
- Flare Blitz
- Swords Dance
Arceus @ Pixie Plate
Ability: Multitype
EVs: 252 HP / 200 Def / 56 Spe
Bold nature
- Recover
- Stealth Rock
- Judgment
- Toxic
This is just a rough draft, but in theory it destroys the 5 primals.
Kyurem-W for Ray and Arceus, M Donphan for Giri and Groudon, and Kyogre with Tailwind, Scarf Kyogre for Regi and Primal Kyogre
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as i have said many times before… i am not a com player… for a regular payer like me… the primals and ray would obviously seem to be the strongest
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Seem to, not are. There are better teams, as this one lacks priority outside of M. Ray and Arceus.
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can we stop arguing on this… in my personal opinion… primal ray is one of the coolest team combos
and no one can argue cause it is my opinion
Also, nice job making a more solid team, mine was trying to pull from OU- mons mostly, also, Golduck OHKOs Primal Groudon. Wins every time i a 1v1. I could Actually replace Kyogre for Golduck, but it doesn’t hit P-Regi, P-Gira, and P-Kyogre nearly as hard.
Oh, sorry, we weren’t try to argue, we were just showing that it is not in fact, the strongest team, and can be broken by 2-3 mons.
no prob… i still like the team but ik that it is not the best in com…